1 00:00:22,770 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,270 --> 00:00:25,360 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:30,280 episode number 246 for the sixth of July 4 00:00:36,820 --> 00:00:34,310 2013 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:36,830 the Bay Area San Francisco and the 6 00:00:40,810 --> 00:00:38,630 slightly under the weather I must admit 7 00:00:43,450 --> 00:00:40,820 I caught a bug i think i caught a bagger 8 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:43,460 a throaty sort of chesty thing coming 9 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:46,340 over on the plane spend some time in bed 10 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:49,160 and I hope I'm on the mend getting 11 00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:51,140 better getting better for the amazing 12 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:53,120 meeting which will be in a few days 13 00:00:56,979 --> 00:00:55,129 looking forward to that this week's 14 00:00:59,410 --> 00:00:56,989 episode of the skeptics owners are one 15 00:01:00,970 --> 00:00:59,420 of those slightly shorter episodes owing 16 00:01:03,250 --> 00:01:00,980 to the fact that I was supposed to do 17 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:03,260 more yeah I was supposed to be doing 18 00:01:06,610 --> 00:01:04,760 some interviews while I was here but 19 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:06,620 unfortunately I was laid low with this 20 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:09,830 rotten bug nevertheless nevertheless we 21 00:01:13,690 --> 00:01:11,480 have penny Chan a penny for your 22 00:01:18,010 --> 00:01:13,700 thoughts penny is going to be telling us 23 00:01:21,130 --> 00:01:18,020 about the recent skeptic owl con here in 24 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:21,140 the Bay Area in berkeley now this is a 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:23,300 an annual convention one day convention 26 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:26,450 held by the Bay Area skeptics so penny 27 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:28,579 will give us a rundown on that event and 28 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:31,579 you'll probably understand that or 29 00:01:35,830 --> 00:01:33,500 you'll see why if you live in the Bay 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:35,840 Area you should attend this event next 31 00:01:40,270 --> 00:01:38,329 year sounds like a lot of fun wish i 32 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:40,280 could have been there after that it's a 33 00:01:44,830 --> 00:01:42,079 week in science from the Royal 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Institution of Australia Paul Willis dr. 35 00:01:50,349 --> 00:01:47,210 Paul Willis back with us again with a 36 00:01:51,999 --> 00:01:50,359 couple of messages as well as a week in 37 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:52,009 science he has an important message to 38 00:01:57,130 --> 00:01:53,990 make and then to round off the show 39 00:02:02,349 --> 00:01:57,140 Maynard spooky action a very funny made 40 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:02,359 hard spooky action cat ladies cats cats 41 00:02:08,950 --> 00:02:04,640 and Christians cats in the Christian 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:08,960 lobby yes it all makes sense what do cat 43 00:02:13,020 --> 00:02:10,490 ladies have to do with the Australian 44 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:13,030 Christian lobby and the website and 45 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:16,940 things like that find out I can't wait 46 00:02:23,890 --> 00:02:19,190 here it's going to be very interesting 47 00:02:26,070 --> 00:02:23,900 Maynard spooky action cats now folks as 48 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:26,080 is my habit when I'm doing these are 49 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:29,180 long haul flights I like to load up my 50 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:31,730 old iPad with some documentary videos 51 00:02:34,450 --> 00:02:33,769 and some fun stuff and bits and pieces 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:34,460 to watch 53 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:35,810 the flight along the way it's a long 54 00:02:41,490 --> 00:02:38,960 flight it's about 14 hours and well I 55 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:41,500 was looking around the internet and I 56 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:45,520 stumbled across a show it's a very 57 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:48,950 recent production called Star Trek 58 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:51,710 continues now I know there's been over 59 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:53,390 the years there's been recreations of 60 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:55,700 the original Star Trek over Captain Kirk 61 00:02:59,950 --> 00:02:57,290 and mr. Spock and all the rest of them 62 00:03:01,690 --> 00:02:59,960 and they're always great fun this one 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:01,700 caught my attention I think I discovered 64 00:03:08,830 --> 00:03:04,810 it because it stars Grant Imahara from 65 00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:08,840 the Mythbusters playing the part of mr. 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:11,270 Sulu so I thought I'd give it a go and 67 00:03:16,090 --> 00:03:13,010 you know what I really loved it it was 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:16,100 great fun it's just like watching an old 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:19,370 episode of Star Trek it's done with love 70 00:03:23,590 --> 00:03:21,410 you can tell that in great care to the 71 00:03:25,930 --> 00:03:23,600 props and the scenery and wow what a 72 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:25,940 hoot if you're a Star Trek fan and you 73 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:28,130 haven't discovered this one yet start 74 00:03:33,610 --> 00:03:31,280 Trek continues calm is the website to 75 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:33,620 look at you might very well enjoy the 76 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:35,450 video and good luck to them I think 77 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:37,270 they've done a really really good job 78 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:39,170 looking forward to meeting you at the 79 00:03:45,010 --> 00:03:42,340 amazing meeting I'm giving a talk about 80 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:45,020 looking into the mind of the belief and 81 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:47,930 why people believe they're so convinced 82 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:50,360 that maybe water divining works or their 83 00:03:54,490 --> 00:03:52,310 psychic abilities work and so on and so 84 00:03:56,980 --> 00:03:54,500 on and one of the topics i'll be 85 00:03:59,410 --> 00:03:56,990 covering are these magical power bands 86 00:04:01,300 --> 00:03:59,420 and for those of you who were at the 87 00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:01,310 amazing meeting last year you would have 88 00:04:06,610 --> 00:04:04,280 seen the million dollar challenge the 89 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:06,620 live million dollar challenge or a man 90 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:09,500 by the name of Andrew needles was tested 91 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:11,630 now he originally contacted me and 92 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:14,330 through a long series of events are we 93 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:16,340 set up a challenge for him well he 94 00:04:21,550 --> 00:04:18,799 failed the challenge last year at am the 95 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:21,560 million dollar challenge and recently 96 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:24,010 I've discovered that he seems to have 97 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:28,310 taken that failure as a evidence that 98 00:04:35,890 --> 00:04:31,580 his product actually works well there 99 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:35,900 you go i it's i'll be talking about this 100 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:38,800 in my talk I was just quite gobsmacked 101 00:04:44,020 --> 00:04:41,450 how a failure can be turned into a 102 00:04:46,409 --> 00:04:44,030 success in the minds of some people if 103 00:04:48,159 --> 00:04:46,419 you're interested if you look for the 104 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:48,169 negative sr 105 00:05:00,999 --> 00:04:56,240 calm that WWD y in AC TI v s are calm / 106 00:05:04,510 --> 00:05:01,009 think underscore you on the score j re f 107 00:05:07,749 --> 00:05:04,520 dot HTML I think you'll find it a very 108 00:05:11,939 --> 00:05:07,759 interesting read indeed well it's time 109 00:05:15,239 --> 00:05:11,949 for me to run upstairs run upstairs and 110 00:05:18,369 --> 00:05:15,249 have some medicated chicken soup I think 111 00:05:20,579 --> 00:05:18,379 mmm medicated chicken soup with a dose 112 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:20,589 of aspirin and I'm sure I'll be feeling 113 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:23,900 back to my old self in a day or two but 114 00:06:04,230 --> 00:05:55,640 is penny Chen 115 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:07,989 wow I love that theme music it's a it's 116 00:06:12,369 --> 00:06:10,249 great when we can write the theme music 117 00:06:15,159 --> 00:06:12,379 for someone especially someone so groovy 118 00:06:17,619 --> 00:06:15,169 is penny jam hello do I I both tell my 119 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:17,629 friends that oh yeah I do cod yes I've 120 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:20,150 got my own theme music you do and it's 121 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:21,800 great to see you because I am looking at 122 00:06:26,110 --> 00:06:23,870 you right now and you and your wonderful 123 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:26,120 plush sort of house studio there well 124 00:06:30,129 --> 00:06:28,699 it's your kitchen and I like your new 125 00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:30,139 hairdo that's but that's quite something 126 00:06:34,209 --> 00:06:32,240 Thanks everybody's all [\h__\h] out about 127 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:34,219 my bangs I don't think that's a big deal 128 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:38,330 but thank you and of course Benny you 129 00:06:42,579 --> 00:06:40,310 are we are very excited like very 130 00:06:44,739 --> 00:06:42,589 excited because in a few days you and I 131 00:06:47,379 --> 00:06:44,749 will both be meeting up at the amazing 132 00:06:49,779 --> 00:06:47,389 meeting yeah but just so you know right 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:49,789 now we are on the same time zone first 134 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:52,370 time in a year yeah it makes a big 135 00:06:57,879 --> 00:06:54,289 difference although I always have a bit 136 00:07:00,489 --> 00:06:57,889 of a battle with jet lag and I've spoken 137 00:07:02,769 --> 00:07:00,499 to my friend dr. Steve novella about and 138 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:02,779 he said Richard we're just not involved 139 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:05,120 for jet travel business there's no way 140 00:07:09,969 --> 00:07:08,000 around this and oh I mean it's just one 141 00:07:12,429 --> 00:07:09,979 of the prices price you have to pay for 142 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:12,439 international travel I guess and as my 143 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:14,089 listen is now on the legal bit under the 144 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:15,710 weather now but on the mend feeling 145 00:07:19,929 --> 00:07:17,960 better but I wanted to talk to you today 146 00:07:21,909 --> 00:07:19,939 about something i wish i could have 147 00:07:25,209 --> 00:07:21,919 attended that some know that many things 148 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:25,219 I wish I could attend this is skeptical 149 00:07:29,499 --> 00:07:27,800 in this area in the Bay Area in berkeley 150 00:07:32,170 --> 00:07:29,509 and this was on june fifteenth what can 151 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:32,180 you tell me about skeptical i love going 152 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:34,460 to it i first started going like two 153 00:07:38,739 --> 00:07:37,849 years ago because you know my dad works 154 00:07:42,189 --> 00:07:38,749 at berkeley that's why it's called 155 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:42,199 skeptic ow cuz the cow ah the car is in 156 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:44,870 cal berkeley right yeah so he was 157 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:46,849 actually one of the organizers for it 158 00:07:52,149 --> 00:07:49,879 this year along with G Scott and the Bay 159 00:07:54,339 --> 00:07:52,159 Area skeptics it's touted as the 160 00:07:57,429 --> 00:07:54,349 northern california science and 161 00:07:59,379 --> 00:07:57,439 skepticism conference that's a little 162 00:08:01,269 --> 00:07:59,389 bit much to say so to all the friends 163 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:01,279 that I try to get to go I say oh it's 164 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:03,529 just like a one-day version of Tam and 165 00:08:08,769 --> 00:08:05,960 it's in berkeley and it's a lot colder 166 00:08:10,989 --> 00:08:08,779 it's funny it's in june but doesn't 167 00:08:14,679 --> 00:08:10,999 matter any time of the year the marina 168 00:08:17,289 --> 00:08:14,689 in berkeley is like zero degrees 169 00:08:21,879 --> 00:08:17,299 I get there get out of the car and it is 170 00:08:23,889 --> 00:08:21,889 glowing winds freezing Gail like ah well 171 00:08:26,019 --> 00:08:23,899 it's gonna be cooler than Las Vegas in 172 00:08:27,909 --> 00:08:26,029 the middle of July right oh my gosh yes 173 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:27,919 but anyway well there's not important 174 00:08:32,290 --> 00:08:30,289 because it was a wonderful day um the 175 00:08:35,319 --> 00:08:32,300 film filmmakers Tyler me some and Justin 176 00:08:38,079 --> 00:08:35,329 Weinstein are making uh they're making a 177 00:08:40,329 --> 00:08:38,089 documentary about James Randi they were 178 00:08:42,969 --> 00:08:40,339 giving out information about it last 179 00:08:45,730 --> 00:08:42,979 year at tam the documentary is called an 180 00:08:47,889 --> 00:08:45,740 honest liar it was a really I mean I 181 00:08:49,269 --> 00:08:47,899 wasn't even sure why are these guys who 182 00:08:52,119 --> 00:08:49,279 are these guys what are they talking 183 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:52,129 about but I'm was so it was so 184 00:08:58,090 --> 00:08:54,920 interesting to hear these two guys talk 185 00:09:00,100 --> 00:08:58,100 about documentaries going to be about we 186 00:09:02,499 --> 00:09:00,110 got to see a clip from the documentary 187 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:02,509 and it was just like five minutes long 188 00:09:08,769 --> 00:09:05,600 or less but it was just that one little 189 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:08,779 clip and I was hooking not because I'm a 190 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:11,420 fan of James Randi I think any person 191 00:09:16,119 --> 00:09:13,310 you know whether they're involved in 192 00:09:18,249 --> 00:09:16,129 skepticism or not or magic or not magic 193 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:18,259 as an entertainment I mean I hope I 194 00:09:21,790 --> 00:09:19,430 think this is gonna be a big hit 195 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:21,800 personally and I hope that's not just 196 00:09:27,429 --> 00:09:23,769 wishful thinking I hope it really 197 00:09:29,259 --> 00:09:27,439 catches on so they actually you know 198 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:29,269 they did a big Kickstarter campaign and 199 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:31,370 they raised all the funds supposedly 200 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:33,500 that they needed it's not finished yet 201 00:09:37,869 --> 00:09:36,050 though they still apparently have a long 202 00:09:40,299 --> 00:09:37,879 way to go and finishing the film and 203 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:40,309 then getting it sold apparently they're 204 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:42,529 taking it to some festivals come up 205 00:09:48,009 --> 00:09:45,050 coming up to try to get it somebody to 206 00:09:50,049 --> 00:09:48,019 help them distribute it oh I can't wait 207 00:09:52,780 --> 00:09:50,059 to see I can't wait to see it oh yes i 208 00:09:55,449 --> 00:09:52,790 remarried those guys were at tam last 209 00:09:58,119 --> 00:09:55,459 year and when done i seem to remember 210 00:09:59,699 --> 00:09:58,129 when I and bannerchek and Jamie and 211 00:10:01,299 --> 00:09:59,709 Swiss and Randy were having little 212 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:01,309 conversations about the million-dollar 213 00:10:05,019 --> 00:10:03,649 challenge last year chatting about the 214 00:10:07,269 --> 00:10:05,029 protocol or looking at this or that or 215 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:07,279 the other standing in the corner of my 216 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:08,870 eye could see these guys hovering around 217 00:10:13,809 --> 00:10:10,790 with this camera sort of circling it's 218 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:13,819 like it like a vulture you know in 219 00:10:17,319 --> 00:10:15,920 circles and in the back of my head I'm 220 00:10:19,059 --> 00:10:17,329 thinking oh there must be the 221 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:19,069 documentary film crew and I'm trying to 222 00:10:24,730 --> 00:10:23,120 block them out karaoke that's great I 223 00:10:26,949 --> 00:10:24,740 think we're all looking forward to that 224 00:10:27,790 --> 00:10:26,959 yes I certainly I've heard about this 225 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:27,800 documentary and 226 00:10:32,380 --> 00:10:30,560 little snippets available online for 227 00:10:34,930 --> 00:10:32,390 that so that's good that was a good way 228 00:10:36,610 --> 00:10:34,940 to kick off skeptical yeah any the thing 229 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:36,620 is about that also another note is that 230 00:10:41,019 --> 00:10:38,060 when I first heard about this 231 00:10:42,699 --> 00:10:41,029 documentary I wasn't so sold on and I'm 232 00:10:44,050 --> 00:10:42,709 like oh yeah everybody knows about Randy 233 00:10:45,819 --> 00:10:44,060 it's like not a big deal is I mean 234 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:45,829 magician for whole his whole life and 235 00:10:50,829 --> 00:10:49,040 he's really cool and but then I didn't 236 00:10:53,769 --> 00:10:50,839 realize that they this is gonna be what 237 00:10:56,139 --> 00:10:53,779 what randy said himself when these guys 238 00:10:58,389 --> 00:10:56,149 came to him about doing the duck money 239 00:11:00,130 --> 00:10:58,399 he said he will he will only agree to do 240 00:11:03,220 --> 00:11:00,140 interviews for it if it's a 241 00:11:04,420 --> 00:11:03,230 warts-and-all look Randy so we might 242 00:11:06,579 --> 00:11:04,430 find out things that we didn't know 243 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:06,589 before things that maybe you know aren't 244 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:09,860 so pretty about his life so okay well 245 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:12,079 interesting looking forward to that so 246 00:11:17,050 --> 00:11:14,140 what else was on the program penny um 247 00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:17,060 right right right after those two guys 248 00:11:21,220 --> 00:11:19,519 finished up Eugenie Scott came on of 249 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:21,230 course and she's one of my favorite 250 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:24,230 speakers I just feel so happy when I see 251 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:27,740 her amid time she's just so pleasant to 252 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:31,279 hear nose and to talk to so she of 253 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:33,290 course is from the National Center for 254 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:35,930 Science Education she gave a talk called 255 00:11:42,130 --> 00:11:40,130 a legends hoaxes frauds and frauds of 256 00:11:45,310 --> 00:11:42,140 science wow really didn't think that she 257 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:45,320 you know her thing is this we have um 258 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:47,510 along the bible belt in the united 259 00:11:53,079 --> 00:11:51,070 states of schools not teaching evolution 260 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:53,089 just reasons i thought she was gonna 261 00:11:56,620 --> 00:11:54,649 talk more about that which I'm always 262 00:11:58,630 --> 00:11:56,630 glad to hear about and I was surprised I 263 00:12:00,610 --> 00:11:58,640 like oh I didn't know that she did this 264 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:00,620 is gonna do this talk about legends and 265 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:02,930 hoaxes what what knew was there to learn 266 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:05,649 about this she did manage to tie it into 267 00:12:11,290 --> 00:12:08,570 this stuff about evolution and things 268 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:11,300 hoaxes like the Piltdown man and museum 269 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:14,630 of hoaxes she also okay here's a quick 270 00:12:19,329 --> 00:12:16,790 shout out to the odds must be crazy 271 00:12:22,269 --> 00:12:19,339 Wendy Hughes and Jared Kaufman's project 272 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:22,279 yeah one of the books and authors that 273 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:24,410 she discussed was the vanishing 274 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:28,480 hitchhiker by General vommed 275 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:31,370 the odds must be crazy because literally 276 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:34,420 less than a week before I had gone to a 277 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:36,740 very famous bookstore called the last 278 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:40,490 bookstore in Los Angeles to see mark 279 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:42,950 Edward you know our beloved Mentalist 280 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:45,800 friends yes he was there promoting this 281 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:48,950 book that I have right here so I kicked 282 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:50,630 blues and I have a copy of that book a 283 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:53,510 very good book indeed yes um and so I 284 00:12:56,980 --> 00:12:54,740 was there just seeing him he was doing a 285 00:12:58,750 --> 00:12:56,990 little show in this door and when he was 286 00:13:01,330 --> 00:12:58,760 finished I was looking around at this 287 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:01,340 display of books behind him and this 288 00:13:08,290 --> 00:13:03,080 book the vanishing hitchhiker was there 289 00:13:10,660 --> 00:13:08,300 was only five bucks and I'm like and I 290 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:10,670 got it cuz I just like to learn about 291 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:13,460 different urban legends it reads a lot 292 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:15,890 more like a textbook cuz actually I 293 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:17,660 found out it is a textbook because this 294 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:21,230 person is um the author is of you know 295 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:24,290 he teaches about folklore and know that 296 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:27,050 so that's what she talked about she 297 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:29,660 mentioned this book and later on and I 298 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:31,310 saw her in the hall and I kind of just 299 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:36,650 accosted her like she's like uh huh 300 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:40,160 that's nice came off so weird I was 301 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:43,550 usual I'm Paul penny I'm show people add 302 00:13:49,390 --> 00:13:45,460 you delighted when you across them I 303 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:49,400 hope so so she also discussed the drop 304 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:53,690 bear no no really yes just about how 305 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:55,130 there's a page on the Australian 306 00:14:00,730 --> 00:13:57,710 museum's website about Kyle arctos 307 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:00,740 plummet asst a large or boreal predatory 308 00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:03,200 marsupial related to the koala and she 309 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:05,240 just showed a bunch of photographs of it 310 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:07,880 was just a koala with teeth yes yes oh 311 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:10,520 it's hilarious I've of course always 312 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:13,340 love hearing her speak after that there 313 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:15,800 were two breakout sessions because you 314 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:17,720 know there there's so much in the day 315 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:19,610 you have to decide which lecture you're 316 00:14:24,430 --> 00:14:22,520 gonna go to you know yeah yeah it can be 317 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:24,440 it can be a problem sometimes but at 318 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:25,850 least it's a good problem because it 319 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:27,860 means they have a lot of a good material 320 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:30,320 at least yeah it is I mean so they're in 321 00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:32,000 room one there was a what was I'm sure 322 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:34,460 was a good lecture by DJ Grothe about 323 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:37,520 grassroots skepticism I wanted to go to 324 00:14:43,150 --> 00:14:40,850 the lecture by Julia Galef when she gave 325 00:14:44,740 --> 00:14:43,160 workshop on thought experiments and of 326 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:44,750 course Julie Gail if she of the New York 327 00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:47,360 skeptics and the rationally speaking 328 00:14:53,650 --> 00:14:50,120 podcast I had never heard her speak 329 00:14:55,389 --> 00:14:53,660 before and she was very good I thought 330 00:14:57,550 --> 00:14:55,399 experiments you that doesn't sound too 331 00:14:59,889 --> 00:14:57,560 interesting but I went to and I'm like 332 00:15:02,379 --> 00:14:59,899 wow I mean it's interesting so I'm glad 333 00:15:05,379 --> 00:15:02,389 I went to that so after that there was 334 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:05,389 lunch a wonderful pasta lunch after that 335 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:08,420 there was Jill Tartars talk on Ceti in 336 00:15:14,019 --> 00:15:11,060 an age of UFOs and what constitutes 337 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,029 extraordinary evidence um and I was 338 00:15:19,150 --> 00:15:16,160 really excited to see dr. Tartars as 339 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:19,160 she's so famous I mean you know i mostly 340 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:22,310 know her as the person on whom elliot 341 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:24,920 from the movie contact is based on boys 342 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:28,550 um but she's an amazing speaker and just 343 00:15:35,949 --> 00:15:31,220 so she's my hero want to be her when I 344 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:35,959 grew up when you grow up um it's a dream 345 00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:39,290 still so after that there were was 346 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:41,300 another breakout session I decided to go 347 00:15:47,439 --> 00:15:44,480 into room 2 and see um a talk by Leonard 348 00:15:50,139 --> 00:15:47,449 traumeel Jerry Schwartz and Jay diamond 349 00:15:52,030 --> 00:15:50,149 from the iig um they're timeless 350 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:52,040 independent investigations good right 351 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:55,040 yes yeah they gave a talk on the lessons 352 00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,810 learned from a paranormal investigation 353 00:16:01,929 --> 00:15:58,639 which is actually a lot of stuff I've 354 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:01,939 kind of heard before since I I'm not an 355 00:16:06,370 --> 00:16:03,410 official member of the Southern 356 00:16:08,079 --> 00:16:06,380 California iig branch but I you know 357 00:16:10,179 --> 00:16:08,089 know most the people there and I go to 358 00:16:12,429 --> 00:16:10,189 some of their events and I just hear a 359 00:16:15,309 --> 00:16:12,439 lot of this stuff about you know how do 360 00:16:18,939 --> 00:16:15,319 you decide which people all these people 361 00:16:20,889 --> 00:16:18,949 call in and an email into the iig saying 362 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:20,899 oh I have this power or i can give you 363 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:24,800 absolute proof of the existence of elves 364 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:26,689 and literally someone actually said that 365 00:16:31,689 --> 00:16:29,389 knowing like what do you do how do you 366 00:16:34,179 --> 00:16:31,699 use you you want to investigate of 367 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:34,189 course these crazies not crazy but 368 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:37,370 extraordinary claims very very well put 369 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:40,220 yes yeah how do you divide you know 370 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:43,420 these people who are clearly delusional 371 00:16:49,379 --> 00:16:46,130 have a mental illness from the people 372 00:16:52,030 --> 00:16:49,389 who for whatever reason that are either 373 00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:52,040 completely deluding themselves or they 374 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:52,920 actually think 375 00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,529 they have this power yeah so that was 376 00:17:01,180 --> 00:16:58,079 that was but still it was good a good 377 00:17:05,179 --> 00:17:01,190 talk by those guys then the last actual 378 00:17:07,549 --> 00:17:05,189 scholarly talk i should say was um by 379 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:07,559 anthony prec tennis dr. anthony prep 380 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:11,130 tennis pratt canis that's hard to say um 381 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:13,890 and it was a talk on the wet called the 382 00:17:18,650 --> 00:17:16,860 weapons of fraud and I wasn't just on 383 00:17:23,299 --> 00:17:18,660 hearing it you know I'm very judgmental 384 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:23,309 of the titles of toxins like oh fraud oh 385 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:25,650 come on just whatever everybody knows 386 00:17:30,289 --> 00:17:28,530 fraud you know only the dumb people fall 387 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:30,299 prey to that all wrong that was a 388 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:31,950 terrible thing for me to think and I 389 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:35,360 feel so guilty for it no because um 390 00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:38,250 normal people a very sound mind fall 391 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:42,000 prey to fraud in every day the biggest 392 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:46,110 weapon of fraud is the ability of a con 393 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,110 person to gain your confidence so that 394 00:17:54,169 --> 00:17:51,210 was an excellent talk and then the fun 395 00:17:58,010 --> 00:17:54,179 stuff started to wrap up the day um uh 396 00:18:02,060 --> 00:17:58,020 was a magic act by Ryan Kane and he's 397 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:02,070 this very very very young magician from 398 00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:04,950 San Francisco I think somebody said he 399 00:18:11,659 --> 00:18:07,919 was voted best magician in san francisco 400 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,669 and i am inclined to believe it it was 401 00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:14,160 an excellent show very impressive and i 402 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:16,169 really i hope to see more of him in the 403 00:18:21,710 --> 00:18:19,410 future i mean i hope he gets more famous 404 00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,720 he's very very good and very i mean he 405 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:23,520 did that thing Penn & Teller have gotten 406 00:18:26,299 --> 00:18:24,900 really famous for witches you know she's 407 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:26,309 catching a bullet with your teeth and 408 00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:29,400 did not really the hotel like right in 409 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:32,700 front of me it's very impressive so that 410 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:34,500 was a good day well as we know penny 411 00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:36,890 magic and our skepticism have had a very 412 00:18:43,340 --> 00:18:41,429 long association then it's up to every 413 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:43,350 skeptic I think to learn a little bit of 414 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:44,640 magic I think it really helps the 415 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:48,270 thinking processes and also helps if 416 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:50,070 when you can fool somebody with a magic 417 00:18:54,890 --> 00:18:51,750 trick you get a little understanding of 418 00:18:57,740 --> 00:18:54,900 how people are fooled and how you can be 419 00:18:59,120 --> 00:18:57,750 full I think that's very good now you 420 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,130 were telling me a little bit earlier 421 00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:01,200 that you discovered something in your 422 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:02,580 room that you haven't seen for a while 423 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:03,830 oh yeah 424 00:19:08,019 --> 00:19:06,529 I grew up near where this event took 425 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:08,029 place and so I stayed with my parents 426 00:19:12,159 --> 00:19:09,890 when I was up there and of course I 427 00:19:14,889 --> 00:19:12,169 stayed in my old bedroom so I haven't 428 00:19:16,419 --> 00:19:14,899 lived in my house in years so but my a 429 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:16,429 bunch of my stuff from when I was a kid 430 00:19:20,169 --> 00:19:17,960 is of course still there and of course 431 00:19:22,299 --> 00:19:20,179 my mom wants to clear out their room and 432 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:22,309 she said and I'll be look at this stuff 433 00:19:26,019 --> 00:19:24,350 and if you don't take it with you or 434 00:19:28,899 --> 00:19:26,029 give it to charity I'm gonna throw it 435 00:19:31,419 --> 00:19:28,909 out so i'm looking through all my crap 436 00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:31,429 the next day and i find all this stuff 437 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:33,860 from when I was a teenager I was really 438 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:37,610 into magic and wiccan ism and fortune 439 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:40,370 telling and I found this old deck of 440 00:19:43,899 --> 00:19:42,769 fortune telling cards I don't think most 441 00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:43,909 people have heard of them that called 442 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:47,480 Rome or Rama cards that refers to romas 443 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:49,460 in like you know that we call them gypsy 444 00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:51,740 piece no gypsies and apparently these 445 00:19:57,159 --> 00:19:55,039 this pack of I think it's about maybe 50 446 00:19:59,950 --> 00:19:57,169 or less cars i think is actually 40 447 00:20:02,289 --> 00:19:59,960 cards apparently a precursor to tarot 448 00:20:04,539 --> 00:20:02,299 cards and each one just has like a 449 00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:04,549 picture on it oh yes now you're holding 450 00:20:09,159 --> 00:20:08,120 them up now and yet broaden this one 451 00:20:11,379 --> 00:20:09,169 that shows a picture of a bride and 452 00:20:14,289 --> 00:20:11,389 groom I think it's called The Vow is one 453 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:14,299 of a dog aunt like kind of kind of 454 00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:17,059 random pictures on there will hold up a 455 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:19,519 couple for me hold up like three it's 456 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:22,100 just that random hold opponent okay so 457 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:23,929 got a doctor and looking at a patient in 458 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:27,980 bed yeah we've got a woman looking at a 459 00:20:34,299 --> 00:20:30,529 letter oh yeah it's all coming together 460 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:34,309 now yes go on yeah so that means pretty 461 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:35,750 soon you're going to get a letter and 462 00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:37,220 it's gonna say come and visit me in 463 00:20:43,419 --> 00:20:41,149 hospital you see ya exactly no it's just 464 00:20:46,930 --> 00:20:43,429 kind of funny I found the instruction 465 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:46,940 book to these deck and it's just really 466 00:20:54,430 --> 00:20:49,970 it's like it's the way to tell fortunes 467 00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:54,440 quote with this is just really on par 468 00:20:59,710 --> 00:20:57,470 maybe like with I guess cold reading 469 00:21:02,019 --> 00:20:59,720 yeah I don't know what it's called when 470 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:02,029 you use cards to do it it's still cold 471 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:03,740 cold reading the cards are just stop 472 00:21:08,049 --> 00:21:06,110 yeah you just lay out like if you want 473 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:08,059 to do it for someone you lay out 3 cards 474 00:21:13,539 --> 00:21:12,080 at random and or the private person have 475 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:13,549 a person here you know your tongue 476 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:16,250 fortune for a take fake cards at renamon 477 00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:18,260 you set them out and you say one is your 478 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:19,820 past one is your present what is your 479 00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:22,190 future and it's like oh here's this one 480 00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:24,980 with two kids standing below you know a 481 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:27,590 switch oh that means that you were a bad 482 00:21:31,660 --> 00:21:30,050 kid in your past and you probably did 483 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:31,670 something very naughty and you were 484 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:35,090 punished so it's like oh my god well 485 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:37,610 that's me yes that's me that's nothing 486 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:40,190 and it's like oh right now the next and 487 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:42,140 what in the middle that's your present 488 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:44,150 it's a safe with money and if that means 489 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:47,330 you're very concerned about wealth and 490 00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:50,300 um making sure you have money that's me 491 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:53,240 too it's you too is it well it's nice i 492 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:55,220 just remembered you know telling my 493 00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:56,990 friends fortunes with these and then be 494 00:22:00,430 --> 00:21:58,760 like some of them of course were 495 00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:00,440 skeptical they were like yeah 496 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,380 everybody's like like oh my gosh you're 497 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:05,360 so good physical different easing now 498 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:07,190 you're gonna bring those to the amazing 499 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:09,380 meeting I'm gonna bring these to Tam I'm 500 00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:11,510 gonna sit at the Australian skeptics 501 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,760 booth whether you want me to or not 502 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,200 there and like for every passing 503 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:17,120 personal be like I'm Madame Penelope 504 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:18,560 would you like me to tell your fortune 505 00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:24,620 what a great idea gypsy secrets so we 506 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:26,600 will we will that's really great thank 507 00:22:30,490 --> 00:22:29,240 you for letting us know about skip decal 508 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:30,500 now I hope they don't again next year 509 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:32,030 I'm sure it is and what's the website 510 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,830 people can go to if they want to find 511 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:36,320 out more about skip decal skeptic alcon 512 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:39,950 calm and if you okay so this is just a 513 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,060 side note if you want to eat lunch at 514 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:46,640 the thing make sure you buy a lunch 515 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:50,290 there because if not you have to go off 516 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:53,030 into the town which is a few miles out 517 00:22:58,150 --> 00:22:56,660 and we ran into that problem the first 518 00:22:59,680 --> 00:22:58,160 time I went and this time even though 519 00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,690 I'd ordered lunch some of my friends 520 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:01,280 didn't and they weren't able to get any 521 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:05,540 food oh alright there's a tip for next 522 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:07,490 time just ask penny about lunch I'm sure 523 00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,980 she just she'll tell you penny great to 524 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,600 see you again love the haircut love the 525 00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:14,000 kitchen love that the cards that you'll 526 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:16,460 be bringing to tamp and I can't wait to 527 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,350 see you Oh either in only a couple of 528 00:23:35,769 --> 00:23:20,960 days yeah I can't wait to see her but uh 529 00:23:39,769 --> 00:23:37,999 be reasonable is a podcast of the 530 00:23:42,019 --> 00:23:39,779 Merseyside skeptics Society featuring 531 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:42,029 hayley stevens and michael marshall each 532 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:44,070 monthly interview explores beliefs from 533 00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:46,289 outside of the mainstream engaging with 534 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:47,820 proponents to those beliefs to examine 535 00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,590 the evidence and reasoning behind each 536 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:52,559 idea in June's episode we speak with 537 00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:54,659 novena shine who made the headlines with 538 00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,460 her attempts to live for six months 539 00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,340 without food listen to novena story and 540 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:01,679 back issues of the show by visiting 541 00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:04,049 merseyside skeptics talked at UK forward 542 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:06,059 slash podcasts or search for be 543 00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,129 reasonable on itunes welcome to a week 544 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:20,039 in science from our iOS this week better 545 00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:22,769 energy storage human head transplant and 546 00:24:36,859 --> 00:24:35,450 electrical stimulation of veins and 547 00:24:39,349 --> 00:24:36,869 arteries can dramatically reduce 548 00:24:41,419 --> 00:24:39,359 bleeding applying micro second 549 00:24:44,180 --> 00:24:41,429 electrical pulses to blood vessels in 550 00:24:46,639 --> 00:24:44,190 mice cause them to rapidly constrict and 551 00:24:49,339 --> 00:24:46,649 stem blood flow these blood vessels 552 00:24:51,979 --> 00:24:49,349 regained their original size in a matter 553 00:24:53,959 --> 00:24:51,989 of minutes but stronger pulses cause 554 00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:53,969 vessels to completely and permanently 555 00:25:01,399 --> 00:24:58,830 closed without damaging them an Italian 556 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:01,409 doctor has proposed a method for human 557 00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:04,200 head transplants up until now head 558 00:25:08,479 --> 00:25:06,059 transplants have mainly been restricted 559 00:25:10,489 --> 00:25:08,489 to Hollywood sci-fi due to the 560 00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:10,499 difficulty of reconnecting nerves in the 561 00:25:16,129 --> 00:25:13,349 spinal cord and yes the procedure has 562 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:16,139 been trialed on animals in the past but 563 00:25:20,899 --> 00:25:18,450 theoretically a super sharp cut through 564 00:25:23,509 --> 00:25:20,909 the spinal column followed by gluing the 565 00:25:25,609 --> 00:25:23,519 head onto the donor body could allow cut 566 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:25,619 nerves to reconstruct themselves and 567 00:25:30,019 --> 00:25:28,769 overcome paralysis this theory could 568 00:25:32,629 --> 00:25:30,029 provide hope for people with 569 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:32,639 debilitating medical conditions but the 570 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:33,809 suggestion has been met with 571 00:25:38,779 --> 00:25:36,089 apprehension by many medical 572 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,789 professionals you're listening to a week 573 00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:41,120 in science from RI oz and now 574 00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:44,600 for size headlines in 30 seconds a new 575 00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:46,670 material that can stall large amounts of 576 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:48,980 energy with very little loss has been 577 00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,860 developed by Australian researchers 578 00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:53,840 increased aerosol pollution resulted in 579 00:26:01,240 --> 00:25:57,260 a global decrease in rain from the 1950s 580 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:01,250 to the 1980s the h7n9 influenza virus 581 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:03,710 combined to both bird and human cells 582 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:06,170 making it more likely to be transmitted 583 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:08,690 between species than other influenza 584 00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:11,090 strains and researchers have built a 585 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:13,700 functioning human liver from stem cells 586 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:17,750 and finally this week the military 587 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:20,120 versus the blue whale US researchers 588 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:22,460 have shown that mid frequency military 589 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:24,740 so nars can disrupt feeding behavior in 590 00:26:29,620 --> 00:26:27,110 these mighty beasts substantially 591 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:29,630 decreasing their ability to feed similar 592 00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:31,220 effects have already been observed in 593 00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:33,500 deep diving toothed whales such as the 594 00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:35,540 sperm whale the flow-on effects from 595 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:37,460 this decrease in feeding efficiency 596 00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:39,770 could include aspects of their ecology 597 00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:42,280 individual fitness and population health 598 00:26:50,049 --> 00:26:47,390 and a big hello to all you skeptically 599 00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:50,059 inclined pod is out there first can I 600 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:52,040 give a big vote of thanks to all of you 601 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:55,100 for taking on board a week in science we 602 00:26:59,860 --> 00:26:57,290 here at our iOS put a lot of effort into 603 00:27:02,410 --> 00:26:59,870 making that weekly pod and vodcast and 604 00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:02,420 we really appreciate when that effort is 605 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:05,240 appreciated by you so thanks a lot and 606 00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:07,070 keep on listening but what I'm really 607 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:09,380 here for today is to bring to your 608 00:27:14,919 --> 00:27:12,170 attention a skeptical look at the whole 609 00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,929 area of science communication many of 610 00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:17,120 you are either already in this area or 611 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:18,950 have an interest in the effective 612 00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:21,050 communication of science from the 613 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:22,900 boffins to the rest of the population 614 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:25,370 it's something that's form the basis of 615 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:27,170 my career for the past couple of decades 616 00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,870 but now I want to stop an arse and 617 00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:32,480 critical questions about why we think 618 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,580 science communication is so important 619 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:37,520 are we doing it effectively and how can 620 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:39,830 we do it better in a nutshell I think 621 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,929 that there are too many geeks talking to 622 00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:44,720 other geeks about geeky things and not 623 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:46,790 enough focus on the bigger questions of 624 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:49,670 how we engage a large audience with the 625 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:52,130 messages of science that are relevant to 626 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:54,110 their daily lives yeah 627 00:27:59,620 --> 00:27:57,170 there is a place for a nerd to nerd love 628 00:28:02,980 --> 00:27:59,630 fest in the name of science there is a 629 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:02,990 need to preach to the converted but 630 00:28:07,780 --> 00:28:04,730 surely there's a bigger game to play 631 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:07,790 here that serves a much wider purpose I 632 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:11,330 hope I've peaked your interest if so you 633 00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:14,720 can find my article online at RI or go 634 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:20,660 you that's RI aus orgy you where I lay 635 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:22,970 out my arguments in much more detail and 636 00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:25,370 invite your comments on the future of 637 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:28,460 science communication you and I are 638 00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:30,650 joined at the hip in our battle against 639 00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:32,660 ignorance and it's time we had a battle 640 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,660 plan a strategy to shine some light into 641 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,240 the dark we're taking a three-week 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the 670 00:30:04,550 --> 00:29:57,250 virtual skeptics it's like meet the 671 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:04,560 press but with chupacabras here's my not 672 00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:18,950 there I was last night viewers just 673 00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,790 sitting around cruising the Australian 674 00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,980 Christian lobby site as I normally do 675 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:25,200 and all has changed there it's all 676 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:26,910 different it's been taken over by a 677 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:28,530 group of people who call themselves the 678 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:31,410 Australian cat ladies I have a cat lady 679 00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:33,690 on the phone right now Hillary Bowman 680 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:36,030 smart how are you doing very well thank 681 00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,010 you very much this is a change of values 682 00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:40,020 for that site what values does the 683 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:42,900 Australian cat ladies stand for like the 684 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:44,760 Australian Christian lobby I mean we 685 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,910 obviously really support family values I 686 00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,340 guess I'll just look a little different 687 00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,200 we really believe in for example you 688 00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:54,600 know love reproductive rights you know 689 00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,760 marriage equality and lots and lots of 690 00:31:00,260 --> 00:30:58,740 tummy rubs that's right you're the only 691 00:31:02,659 --> 00:31:00,270 website I've encountered recently that 692 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:02,669 it's come out in favor of tummy rubs 693 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:05,700 it's really a crying shame tell me your 694 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:07,770 odds are sorely under represented as a 695 00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,049 family value Hillary I put it to you you 696 00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:12,059 just say this a lot in confrontational 697 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,190 interviews I put it to you I'm reading a 698 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:15,840 statement from one of your founding 699 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:18,990 felines here and I quote meow meow meow 700 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,010 meow meow purr is this just rhetoric 701 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:27,360 Hillary no no are we truly believe in 702 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,130 what we're saying I've heard that 703 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:31,799 somewhere before I feel perhaps but you 704 00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:33,210 know again we've got a slightly 705 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:35,280 different focus which we're very much 706 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:38,790 feel I'm focused family focused and 707 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:41,190 really open to all and very inclusive 708 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:43,620 and that's obviously what's reflected in 709 00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:45,450 that statement that was obviously from 710 00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,059 from my cat and he's often very 711 00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,340 articulate in defense of in defense of 712 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:52,740 marriage quality reproductive rights all 713 00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,049 manner of inclusivity and antidepressant 714 00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:57,299 activities just like the the rainbow 715 00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,970 coalition there there is various groups 716 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,919 and different feelings and different 717 00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:04,140 groups what about the Siamese and the 718 00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:06,179 Burmese let's face it they don't always 719 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:08,160 get on with the other members of the cat 720 00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:11,940 coalition this is true it has obviously 721 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:14,880 been a source of controversy for us over 722 00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,850 the weekend you know the child my mother 723 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:19,919 used to show Siamese cats their names 724 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:22,350 were sit in Stella and they didn't like 725 00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:23,850 me mostly because I attempted to dress 726 00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:26,070 them up in dolls clothes every day where 727 00:32:29,379 --> 00:32:27,780 do you sit on the issue of dressing up 728 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:29,389 cats as a child 729 00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:31,369 old obviously I was very engaged in the 730 00:32:36,699 --> 00:32:34,070 activity but in retrospect is probably 731 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,709 not the best idea cats aren't very fond 732 00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:39,200 of it I'd recommend you generally don't 733 00:32:44,289 --> 00:32:41,839 there been any response from the the dog 734 00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:44,299 Coalition on your activities we have 735 00:32:49,569 --> 00:32:47,179 received a number of emails from dog 736 00:32:51,419 --> 00:32:49,579 owners expressing support for our for 737 00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,429 our values and asking if they could join 738 00:32:57,069 --> 00:32:54,559 what we say to all dog owners is firstly 739 00:32:58,959 --> 00:32:57,079 we hope to convert you we hope to 740 00:33:00,879 --> 00:32:58,969 convert all hayden's so that you know 741 00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:00,889 they become normal healthy cat owners 742 00:33:04,989 --> 00:33:02,659 you can join if you're a dog owner 743 00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:04,999 that's that's fine we're all inclusive I 744 00:33:10,299 --> 00:33:06,919 mean all you have to do is you just have 745 00:33:13,299 --> 00:33:10,309 to recognize that cats always deserve 746 00:33:15,099 --> 00:33:13,309 the best spot to nap on the couch they 747 00:33:16,749 --> 00:33:15,109 always get the best spot don't they I 748 00:33:18,609 --> 00:33:16,759 mean I've never been in a household 749 00:33:20,649 --> 00:33:18,619 where the cat has been downtrodden 750 00:33:22,419 --> 00:33:20,659 that's true that's true captured 751 00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:22,429 generally I mean for example in our 752 00:33:26,649 --> 00:33:24,229 house we have a golden retriever named 753 00:33:28,479 --> 00:33:26,659 Leo puppy we've recently taught him how 754 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:28,489 to shake hands and he keeps trying to 755 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,190 shake hands with the cat unfortunately 756 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:33,440 the cat is deeply uninterested and it's 757 00:33:37,719 --> 00:33:35,329 very sad to watch you said people 758 00:33:39,369 --> 00:33:37,729 sometimes get confused between people 759 00:33:42,849 --> 00:33:39,379 like yourself the Australian cat ladies 760 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:42,859 that are cat Oh holics and people that 761 00:33:47,229 --> 00:33:45,049 are Catholics it's a common 762 00:33:49,389 --> 00:33:47,239 misconception we are actually Catholics 763 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:49,399 rather than Catholics but you know 764 00:33:53,019 --> 00:33:51,049 obviously you can be both at the same 765 00:33:55,539 --> 00:33:53,029 time we welcome people of all religious 766 00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:55,549 background stripes and whatnot so you 767 00:33:59,019 --> 00:33:57,320 know but it's just important to keep 768 00:34:01,719 --> 00:33:59,029 that distinction what about the issue of 769 00:34:03,849 --> 00:34:01,729 catnip should this be available on a 770 00:34:06,849 --> 00:34:03,859 casual basis what about cats that 771 00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:06,859 develop a problem with it I admit I've 772 00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:07,990 you gotta serve a harm minimization 773 00:34:13,029 --> 00:34:11,599 policy yeah look I'd feel like we do 774 00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,039 tend towards that sort of thing we 775 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:14,480 haven't discussed it in depth as one of 776 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:16,970 our policies but I have to admit I I 777 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:20,450 have bought a catnip stuff mouse for my 778 00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:25,190 cat catnip so you know I can't I'm 779 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,929 hardly innocent you know in this matter 780 00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:29,119 I'd lead towards saying catnip should be 781 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:31,220 to be freely available and that we 782 00:34:34,749 --> 00:34:32,450 should have the support services 783 00:34:36,819 --> 00:34:34,759 available for those who develop a 784 00:34:39,009 --> 00:34:36,829 serious catnip problem tell me who was 785 00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:39,019 it that saw that the Australian Catholic 786 00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:41,149 League dog was coming up and you thought 787 00:34:44,059 --> 00:34:42,389 gee we could use that 788 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,069 a bit of cat lobbying how did that come 789 00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:46,859 about Justin Genevieve and I so we're 790 00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,950 the three grand masters we were just so 791 00:34:53,419 --> 00:34:51,480 chatting on Friday night just last 792 00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:53,429 Friday night on Twitter because we share 793 00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,799 you know mutual enthusiasm for cats and 794 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,480 Twitter and feminism and that sort of 795 00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:59,160 thing and we noticed there was 796 00:35:02,299 --> 00:35:00,450 discussing how fun it would be if the 797 00:35:04,549 --> 00:35:02,309 Australian Christian mabi ACL actually 798 00:35:06,289 --> 00:35:04,559 stood for Australian cat ladies and I 799 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:06,299 was walking to the bus stop I was bored 800 00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:08,940 I was hungry I checked online the domain 801 00:35:13,789 --> 00:35:11,430 was available so in two minutes and 802 00:35:15,319 --> 00:35:13,799 nineteen dollars later I had the thing I 803 00:35:16,789 --> 00:35:15,329 mean squirrel vocal sort of young 804 00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:16,799 feminists and we're often told they're 805 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,839 going to grow up to be cat ladies so I 806 00:35:22,549 --> 00:35:20,460 wanted to celebrate that I mean I 807 00:35:24,529 --> 00:35:22,559 personally actually hope to be you know 808 00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,539 a layabout trophy wife but I haven't 809 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,700 learnt to play tennis yet as I've been a 810 00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:28,920 reaction from the people who are not the 811 00:35:32,059 --> 00:35:30,990 Australian cat ladies the Australian 812 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,069 Christian lobby have they given you a 813 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:33,900 call no they seem to have indicated 814 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:35,490 they'd been they're not interested in 815 00:35:39,259 --> 00:35:36,930 buying back the domain name which is 816 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,269 which is fine we had feared that they 817 00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,760 had an insidious Andy cat stance but it 818 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:44,640 seems maybe we were wrong generally 819 00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:46,650 we're not a fan of the Australian 820 00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,150 Christian lobby in their extreme views 821 00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:51,359 but who knows maybe we can find a common 822 00:35:55,279 --> 00:35:53,190 ground on the basis of cats with 823 00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:55,289 everyone judging by the media reaction a 824 00:35:58,579 --> 00:35:56,609 lot of people have been very interested 825 00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,589 in your Australian cat lady site and a 826 00:36:01,999 --> 00:36:00,359 lot of people in reaching it and that's 827 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,009 another term we like to let me reaching 828 00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,680 out to you it's reaching out to you and 829 00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:06,900 what have they been saying well we've 830 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:09,900 had a lot of membership inquiries over 831 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:12,930 500 I think at last count people can you 832 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:14,730 know contact us through our website or 833 00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,650 they can also join through our website 834 00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,960 has been receiving a lot of encouraging 835 00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:21,000 you know encouraging comments from all 836 00:36:25,009 --> 00:36:22,920 over the world we even had a visit from 837 00:36:27,289 --> 00:36:25,019 Bhutan this morning which was quite nice 838 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:27,299 one or two people who are not so 839 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:29,730 supportive we had one guy who was very 840 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:32,609 angry about cats he didn't really have 841 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:33,869 much comment on the sort of social 842 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:35,490 justice side of it but he just really 843 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:38,490 hated cats just hated cats do you think 844 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:39,930 it was allergic he had a bad experience 845 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:42,420 when he was a child a cat may be 846 00:36:47,029 --> 00:36:44,430 reversed into him without looking all 847 00:36:49,549 --> 00:36:47,039 these are possibilities we really can't 848 00:36:52,279 --> 00:36:49,559 know the one burning burning social 849 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:52,289 issue I must ask you before we go do you 850 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,730 go in the kitty litter towards the 851 00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:55,680 crystal or do you tend to go with the 852 00:36:59,539 --> 00:36:56,160 research 853 00:37:03,289 --> 00:36:59,549 paper I myself tend towards the crystal 854 00:37:04,549 --> 00:37:03,299 I actually have a little house for the 855 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,559 mic outside like there's a door 856 00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,420 flattening walks in so that really 857 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:08,520 minimizes the scatter of the litter but 858 00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:10,230 yeah I lean towards the crystal I find 859 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,880 that a bit cleans up the odors a little 860 00:37:15,529 --> 00:37:13,680 bit better what do you think about the 861 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,539 the cat toilets that they had actual 862 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,760 flushing cat toilet that's laser 863 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:19,500 activated all that sort of thing i've 864 00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:20,910 seen them online what do you think of 865 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:24,150 them i have i have seen those and I find 866 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:25,890 them very exciting and quite frankly I 867 00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:28,170 would buy one if I had the money Hilary 868 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:29,549 Bowen smart thank you very much for 869 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:31,170 chatting just today from the Australian 870 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:33,030 cat ladies where can we keep an eye out 871 00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:34,650 for you and where can we follow you on 872 00:37:38,029 --> 00:37:36,270 twitter etc cause I think a lot of 873 00:37:40,819 --> 00:37:38,039 people have got very they've got a lot 874 00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,829 of feline presence to really vent with 875 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,480 you you can follow us at our website 876 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:44,400 Australian Christian lobby dog or on 877 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:48,569 twitter at oz cat ladies so aus oz oz 878 00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:50,970 cat ladies and you know we don't have 879 00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,270 any super you know concrete campaign 880 00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,700 plans at the moment but we do plan to be 881 00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:58,920 posting a lot of cat pictures into the 882 00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,839 future why don't you run for the upper 883 00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:02,880 house with statements like meow meow 884 00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:04,980 purr meow I mean you make as much sense 885 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:07,230 as anyone else I've heard lately no 886 00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:09,150 that's a good point i'll put it to my 887 00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:26,789 have you heard the one about how the 888 00:38:30,269 --> 00:38:28,750 Illuminati in conjunction with the US 889 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:30,279 government are hiding the existence of 890 00:38:34,499 --> 00:38:32,170 aliens in order to ensure the supply of 891 00:38:35,789 --> 00:38:34,509 helium is kept low or that the CIA the 892 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:35,799 militant wing of the Freemasons are 893 00:38:38,999 --> 00:38:37,569 working with the elders of zion to take 894 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:39,009 control of the population of the world 895 00:38:43,289 --> 00:38:41,500 through fluoridated chemtrails canberra 896 00:38:44,759 --> 00:38:43,299 skeptics incorporated on behalf of the 897 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,769 shadow government will be massing an 898 00:38:49,019 --> 00:38:46,480 array of dark forces for the australian 899 00:38:50,759 --> 00:38:49,029 skeptics national convention 2013 this 900 00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:50,769 convention has conspired to coincide 901 00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:52,359 with 50th anniversary of the 902 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:54,700 assassination of John F Kennedy possibly 903 00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:56,380 the most famous conspiracy theory of all 904 00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:58,420 time if you've ever wanted to learn 905 00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:00,250 about the truth behind the death of JFK 906 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:02,200 what makes for a good conspiracy theory 907 00:39:06,089 --> 00:39:04,089 and why they are so prevalent Canberra 908 00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:06,099 skeptics invites you to attend that is 909 00:39:10,829 --> 00:39:07,809 of course should you choose to accept it 910 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:10,839 come to national skeptics convention org 911 00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:13,420 and just remember they will be watching 912 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:28,290 thank you for listening to the skeptic 913 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:31,270 zone I'm feeling much better already in 914 00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:33,010 fact while I'm here in the Bay Area I 915 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:36,430 hope oh I hope I can still meet up with 916 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,290 my dear friend dr. Eugenie Scott from 917 00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:39,520 the National Center for Science 918 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:40,900 Education I'll try to make that happen 919 00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:42,910 to supposed to see you the other day but 920 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:44,260 as sort of a little bit under the 921 00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:46,570 weather now on next week's show the 922 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,900 first report from Tam 2030 and I'll be 923 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:52,000 running around with my microphone our 924 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:54,310 reporter travis roy and now reported a 925 00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,110 penny chan will be there running around 926 00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:59,440 with their microphones seeing who we can 927 00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:00,970 interview and over the coming weeks i 928 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:02,500 hope to bring you many interesting 929 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:04,570 insights and interviews from people at 930 00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:06,850 the amazing meeting and if you're going 931 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:09,100 along can't wait to see you come up and 932 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:11,530 say hello I might even fold you an 933 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:14,590 origami rabbit or something don't forget 934 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:15,970 the Australian skeptics national 935 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:18,190 convention is coming up in November and 936 00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:20,050 will certainly be talking more about 937 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:23,020 that in the coming weeks but for this 938 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:24,970 week this is Richard Saunders signing 939 00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:33,510 you've been listening to the skeptic 940 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:34,700 zone 941 00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,530 visit our website at www skeptics on TV